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	<title>Comments on: AOL Search &#8211; a case of sincere flattery, but a bad business decision?</title>
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		<title>By: Search improvements are more about understanding queries better, not understanding results better &#171; Lightspeed Venture Partners Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Search improvements are more about understanding queries better, not understanding results better &#171; Lightspeed Venture Partners Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John McKinley (the ex CTO of AOL) pointed out a few weeks ago, AOL Search had this vision nailed over a year ago, but when new management came in they instituted a much sparser, more &#8220;Google-like&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John McKinley (the ex CTO of AOL) pointed out a few weeks ago, AOL Search had this vision nailed over a year ago, but when new management came in they instituted a much sparser, more &#8220;Google-like&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Recap: While I was out &#160;&#187;TechAddress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recap: While I was out &#160;&#187;TechAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Online Advertising: AOL&#8217;s internal email on the New York shuffle &#160;&#187;TechAddress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Advertising: AOL&#8217;s internal email on the New York shuffle &#160;&#187;TechAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Exits: The fall of AOL&#8217;s Mike Kelly &#160;&#187;TechAddress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exits: The fall of AOL&#8217;s Mike Kelly &#160;&#187;TechAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] search business, he hadn&#8217;t been doing a great job of it. Former AOL executive John McKinley excoriated the company for slavishly imitating Google in its search-results design. And even copying Google, which already [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alt Search Engines &#187; Blog Archive &#187; So You've Built an Alternative Search Engine?</title>
		<link>http://greatfallsventures.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/aol-search-a-case-of-sincere-flattery-but-a-bad-business-decision/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Alt Search Engines &#187; Blog Archive &#187; So You've Built an Alternative Search Engine?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yahoo! and AOL realized this almost from the start. With lots of premium content, they needed powerful search capability to monetize it well; so in 2004 Yahoo! dumped Google in favor of its own search technology. AOL leverages Google&#8217;s search technology internally, but provides additional branding and UI changes. [John McKinley of Great Falls Ventures has a great article on the recent Search UI changes at AOL.] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yahoo! and AOL realized this almost from the start. With lots of premium content, they needed powerful search capability to monetize it well; so in 2004 Yahoo! dumped Google in favor of its own search technology. AOL leverages Google&#8217;s search technology internally, but provides additional branding and UI changes. [John McKinley of Great Falls Ventures has a great article on the recent Search UI changes at AOL.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: luckyrobot.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Had to comment&#8230;. AOL Search</title>
		<link>http://greatfallsventures.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/aol-search-a-case-of-sincere-flattery-but-a-bad-business-decision/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>luckyrobot.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Had to comment&#8230;. AOL Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McKinley recently posted on his blog about AOL Search - it&#8217;s a positive view of the progress made over the last several years, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McKinley recently posted on his blog about AOL Search - it&#8217;s a positive view of the progress made over the last several years, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: arnaud fischer</title>
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		<dc:creator>arnaud fischer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 06:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s be realistic. After IAC acquired Ask, there was no room for AOL Search to rank among the top 3 players in the traditional all-purpose search category. Personal technology categories, from desktop operating systems to browsers and productivity apps have traditionally had enough room for two leaders and a third rotating player (I am sure someone&#039;s gonna come up with exeptions ...). The search ecosystem was clearly heading for fragmentation. Crawling, indexing, computational linguistic and managing consumer media experiences definitely don’t require the same core competencies. Given the rise of social networking, broadband penetration, emerging semantic applications against the explosion of consumer generated content and awesome technologies re-inventing user interaction models. AOL on the Web had a unique opportunity to reclaim its historical online community fame and core competency.

Web 1.0 was about linking information, Web 2.0 clearly is about linking people and the enormous impact of recycling social behaviors across all layers, implicit and explicit. I thought AOL Search had a unique opportunity to repositions itself as a &quot;Discovery Engine&quot;/&quot;Recommendation Engine&quot;, taking the lead on becoming the leader of an emerging new social search category. FullView was the base for exactly that.

Congratulations to the tam for delivering on FullView. The performance was probably the only drawback ... and was not brain surgery to improve.

Anyways, is Engagement up since the swap from FullView to Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s be realistic. After IAC acquired Ask, there was no room for AOL Search to rank among the top 3 players in the traditional all-purpose search category. Personal technology categories, from desktop operating systems to browsers and productivity apps have traditionally had enough room for two leaders and a third rotating player (I am sure someone&#8217;s gonna come up with exeptions &#8230;). The search ecosystem was clearly heading for fragmentation. Crawling, indexing, computational linguistic and managing consumer media experiences definitely don’t require the same core competencies. Given the rise of social networking, broadband penetration, emerging semantic applications against the explosion of consumer generated content and awesome technologies re-inventing user interaction models. AOL on the Web had a unique opportunity to reclaim its historical online community fame and core competency.</p>
<p>Web 1.0 was about linking information, Web 2.0 clearly is about linking people and the enormous impact of recycling social behaviors across all layers, implicit and explicit. I thought AOL Search had a unique opportunity to repositions itself as a &#8220;Discovery Engine&#8221;/&#8221;Recommendation Engine&#8221;, taking the lead on becoming the leader of an emerging new social search category. FullView was the base for exactly that.</p>
<p>Congratulations to the tam for delivering on FullView. The performance was probably the only drawback &#8230; and was not brain surgery to improve.</p>
<p>Anyways, is Engagement up since the swap from FullView to Google?</p>
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		<title>By: data</title>
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		<dc:creator>data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 21:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Ferguson (senior user experience analyst for Ask.com) shared some interesting Ask 3D data points on Search Engine Land:

http://searchengineland.com/070803-083501.php

&quot;We&#039;re seeing encouraging data on Ask. On the user experience side, one of our focuses is ramping up the frequency of searches for those already using us. Since the launch of our new site design in early June, that metric has and continues to improve. Here are a few other indications that users like the richer experiences these pages offer:

    * Large jumps in satisfaction, seen both in surveys and server analytics that gauge user success. The satisfaction numbers are even higher the more content that appears with the results: on top of the page and in the right rail.
    * A bit lower click-through on sponsored and organic results per visit with the other choices on the page, but many more visits overall. Frequency and retention are up, which we expect to continue.
    * A 27% drop in the percentage of users moving to the second results page. They are getting what they want more quickly.
    * A 13% drop in search sessions with more than one search, when searchers use the search suggestions on the home page. These users are guided directly to what they want.
    * For searchers using either the TypeAhead search suggestions or our Zoom Related Search, there&#039;s been 28% drop in abandonment.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Ferguson (senior user experience analyst for Ask.com) shared some interesting Ask 3D data points on Search Engine Land:</p>
<p><a href="http://searchengineland.com/070803-083501.php" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/070803-083501.php</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re seeing encouraging data on Ask. On the user experience side, one of our focuses is ramping up the frequency of searches for those already using us. Since the launch of our new site design in early June, that metric has and continues to improve. Here are a few other indications that users like the richer experiences these pages offer:</p>
<p>    * Large jumps in satisfaction, seen both in surveys and server analytics that gauge user success. The satisfaction numbers are even higher the more content that appears with the results: on top of the page and in the right rail.<br />
    * A bit lower click-through on sponsored and organic results per visit with the other choices on the page, but many more visits overall. Frequency and retention are up, which we expect to continue.<br />
    * A 27% drop in the percentage of users moving to the second results page. They are getting what they want more quickly.<br />
    * A 13% drop in search sessions with more than one search, when searchers use the search suggestions on the home page. These users are guided directly to what they want.<br />
    * For searchers using either the TypeAhead search suggestions or our Zoom Related Search, there&#8217;s been 28% drop in abandonment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fundamentally it boils down to the fact that search and aol are being run by people who aren&#039;t product peope. kannapell, cahall, grant, falco... none of them. except for cahall, they&#039;re all numbers guys. cahall? he&#039;s an evp who writes code because he doesn&#039;t trust his people, driving the engineering team away.

for all his faults, miller cared about product. wish he&#039;d had more time to carry out his web 2.0 strategy. take a look at circavie from aim-- it&#039;s a great idea, horribly executed.

the &quot;copy the competition&quot; strategy shouldn&#039;t surprise anyone. falco comes from nbc for chrissake. copying is all you do in the tv biz. right now there are TWO crappy game shows on tv where the contestant fills in lyrics to a song. and, yes, one of them is on falco&#039;s NBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fundamentally it boils down to the fact that search and aol are being run by people who aren&#8217;t product peope. kannapell, cahall, grant, falco&#8230; none of them. except for cahall, they&#8217;re all numbers guys. cahall? he&#8217;s an evp who writes code because he doesn&#8217;t trust his people, driving the engineering team away.</p>
<p>for all his faults, miller cared about product. wish he&#8217;d had more time to carry out his web 2.0 strategy. take a look at circavie from aim&#8211; it&#8217;s a great idea, horribly executed.</p>
<p>the &#8220;copy the competition&#8221; strategy shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone. falco comes from nbc for chrissake. copying is all you do in the tv biz. right now there are TWO crappy game shows on tv where the contestant fills in lyrics to a song. and, yes, one of them is on falco&#8217;s NBC.</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it really matter?  When you boil it all down, AOL is just a company in its death throws...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it really matter?  When you boil it all down, AOL is just a company in its death throws&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myron makes a great point. Google has such a strong brand that maybe it makes sense for AOL to throw in the towel on search and focus its efforts elsewhere. 

I remember sitting in focus groups and other consumer tests and you&#039;d ask people &quot;If you were looking for X, where would you go?&quot; 90+% of the time the answer was &quot;Google&quot;.

My big regret is that AOL didn&#039;t fully support efforts to build true social search. In a search world where we see a lot of spam and gaming of the system, using social networks to deliver personalized search results has a lot of promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myron makes a great point. Google has such a strong brand that maybe it makes sense for AOL to throw in the towel on search and focus its efforts elsewhere. </p>
<p>I remember sitting in focus groups and other consumer tests and you&#8217;d ask people &#8220;If you were looking for X, where would you go?&#8221; 90+% of the time the answer was &#8220;Google&#8221;.</p>
<p>My big regret is that AOL didn&#8217;t fully support efforts to build true social search. In a search world where we see a lot of spam and gaming of the system, using social networks to deliver personalized search results has a lot of promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Myron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post John. I was one of the lead product managers on the AOL Search team during what I would consider the glory days of AOL Search.  

My own 2c on this subject is that AOL Search was a leader in search product innovation during a time when the dialogue in the search industry routinely ignored AOL.  This had more to do with the brand perceptions of AOL (especially in the technoelite press) rather than anything we were doing with the product.

In my admittedly biased opinion, AOL had achieved the formidable goal of creating the best search experience on the Web before this most recent removal of what John refers to as the &quot;veneer.&quot; 

That said, it seems to me that AOL had to swallow a bitter pill ... it almost doesn&#039;t matter what the AOL Search page is doing, people who are inclined to use AOL for Search will continue to do so regardless and those who are lured by the Google brand halo will go there even if AOL (or anyone else for that matter) offers a superior experience.  If that&#039;s the case, how does a business justify the cost of a large staff dedicated to creating the veneer if it&#039;s not impacting the bottom line?

Perhaps this answers the &quot;if a tree falls&quot; question.  The answer is it doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post John. I was one of the lead product managers on the AOL Search team during what I would consider the glory days of AOL Search.  </p>
<p>My own 2c on this subject is that AOL Search was a leader in search product innovation during a time when the dialogue in the search industry routinely ignored AOL.  This had more to do with the brand perceptions of AOL (especially in the technoelite press) rather than anything we were doing with the product.</p>
<p>In my admittedly biased opinion, AOL had achieved the formidable goal of creating the best search experience on the Web before this most recent removal of what John refers to as the &#8220;veneer.&#8221; </p>
<p>That said, it seems to me that AOL had to swallow a bitter pill &#8230; it almost doesn&#8217;t matter what the AOL Search page is doing, people who are inclined to use AOL for Search will continue to do so regardless and those who are lured by the Google brand halo will go there even if AOL (or anyone else for that matter) offers a superior experience.  If that&#8217;s the case, how does a business justify the cost of a large staff dedicated to creating the veneer if it&#8217;s not impacting the bottom line?</p>
<p>Perhaps this answers the &#8220;if a tree falls&#8221; question.  The answer is it doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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